phil collins chester thompson falling out

This is why I don't think they sold out or did it for any other reason than that is what they wanted to do. They are like 15 feet away and everyone is wearing masks. At one point on that show, I was supposed to play a backbeat to go into the last tune. We played together a lot in L.A. between Genesis tours and stuff. Captain Beefheart plays harmonica on the album. When Phil said that his 2004 tour was going to be his last one, did you believe him? How has your Covid year gone? Some info from Hugh Fielders book:In 1965 Ant Phillips formed the band Anon with Richard Macphail, Rivers Job, Rob Tyrrell & Mike Rutherford. That aint me., Despite thoseearly troubles, Thompson recalled that he hit it off immediately with Collins, which made their regular drum duets easy to perform. What happened when Jaco Pastorius came in on bass and Alphonso Johnson left? most great drummers won't ever do that, because they live for their drums. [Laughs] If I could have him, Id be touring with him right now. One day, he got pretty frustrated with me and literally cussed me out in front of everybody. I didnt know until later. Had they brought me, they would have had to pay another musician just to sit there. Heres the crazy thing, man. According to my mother, even before I can remember, she mentioned getting a toy drum and me standing on the front steps and playing as people listened. Sat 27th Nov 2021 20.00 GMT. Man, it was fun. Napoleon Murphy Brock was auditioning at the same time for vocals and saxophone. And theyd never had an American in their ranks. This edition features drummer Chester Thompson. There were pictures taken and all that. As a matter of fact, we had already been told what dates to hold for 2008. I am reminded of this Amazon review of "Dance Into the Light" (which, incidently, has the funniest Phil Collins album cover). None of that. Id say we agree on his drummingskills. I never liked the idea of re-recording old favourites but Im getting a little bit intrested now. And so when he quit again at the end of that, I think there was a shock. Wed do eight-hour rehearsals. Jeff Porcaro: a great drummer but not a main composer in Toto. I did most of my tracks like Inca Roads with George on piano. Who did you see after that? I think the first song that really stuck in my head was On the Sunny Side of the Street. I have no idea whose version it was. Drummers are kept in the background because DRUMS CAN'T MOVE AROUND THE SCENARIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It wasnt the same kind of luxury and stuff, which is fine., He added that Genesis was very balanced, instead of having a leader, and everybody had their say. But his first experience with Collins as boss was kind of a drag. He only truly related to drums," Thompson explained. Except the horrible version of Your Own Special Way (Already horrible) because Paul Carrack sounds as Elmer Fudd , the mediocre Bossa Nova version of I Know What I like and the hard to swallow Waiting Room Only, the rest of the album (8 more tracks) is outstanding. All of the above. Discover what he did to anger Thompson so much they haven't exchanged holiday cards since 2019. I read it and just wept because most of it had happened by that point. I dont know details of what happened with that, but I think Peter was busy putting something else together. He was already going on tour in summers between school. [Ed. I think it's best to keep this stuff to yourself, don't air grievances in public., especially not the press. Exactly. When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, When did you start doing professional gigs? Id love to do my own tours. It was kind of like asking your buddy to come cover your band because suddenly youre doing something different. As far as I know he doesn't have the health You were there to see what he did with your own two eyes? I have no idea where they would play. A great experience to see. . But Chester, Ralph Humphries, Chad, Terry and Ruth made for a great conversation. Right. Basically, we rehearsed eight hours a day, 40 hours a week. I wasnt enough of a diplomat to just say, Oh, everything is wonderful. The Genesis stuff was more musically challenging and interesting to me. this can result in this site earning a commission. Don Henley: another drummer who is lead singer, and main writter with guitarist Glen Frey, and he also sings ballads without being "hated" as Collins is. [Laughs] They were like, How could you be down here doing this and not our tour? I was like, Im just here a few days. But I was really trying to be mindful of family time. It`s not true. He is just a great drummer. Mike says that Phils drumming added a new dimension to Genesis. In between, were doing this project. No. I dont know what they might have been going through behind the scenes, but our time together was just great. He kept trying to get me to take less than what I was already making. I knew it was in the works. and (apart fromthe bluesalbum)he hasstayed on the same ground, progrelated and close to classical guitarmusic. The studio had tanks in the studio since they dealt with it all the time. And the best artists do it without you even realising it. Sorry man, but Steve is the only Genesis member that released a whole album with new version of Genesis songs, i can't understand how somebody can say he didn't liked the music. I did not write this, but it always makes me laugh. Still love to practice. The problem is that after a couple of albums Tony lost xcontrol and Phil decided what path to take, making a parallel solo career that is comonly mistaken with Genesis later albums, that's what I blame him for.Actually I havent heard Hacketts Genesis revisited - is it good? As far as teaching, I only took that gig because my son was going to that school. I like them and respect them, even when i disagree. Basically, I had to jump right into the deep end. I think that Bruford said that in 1992-93 for the "Notes of the Edge" website. Whats it like to walk onto that stage and see just an ocean of people going insane? The whole band took Tony's side (There's no Genesis without Tony) instead of compromising, giving more songs to Steve, It's ridiculous that Your Own Special Way was in W&W instead of Steve's superior material. I started thinking, Now what did I do? And so I kind of froze. But I believe Steve won more, because he didn't took part in the POP Genesis (Something with what he clearly disagrees) and made a solid career. Hed recently wrapped up stints with Frank Zappa and Weather Report that lasted about two years each, and Genesis previous touring drummer, Bill Bruford, bailed after just four months on the road. Oh, goodness. So many songs, so many albums, so many concerts. The band was really good. I actually kind of felt bad for him, he was trying to impart what it takes to be a working drummer (discussing things like getting no sleep with Zappa, his approach to odd times, prepping for touring, being versed in many styles, reading etc..) part of the audience was peppering him with Genesis questions like "what is Phil Collins like?," and the other half just wanted to hear some blazing solo.. odd crowd. How about pop music? The news that he left didnt come out until 1996 or so. George shared with me that [violinist] Jean-Luc [Ponty] didnt enjoy it so much because he couldnt stand being silly. He was pretty disappointed. How did you grow as a drummer during your time in Weather Report? That stood out more than anything. I guess they were never able to release it because Peter is pretty spontaneous and it drove the sound engineer crazy. Why dont you come and jam with the band? I said, Man, Id love to, but I dont really want to audition.. It just turned out to be a one-off, but fortunately we recorded and videotaped it. Billy Cobham: a very good drummer who shimnes mostly as soloist. He might have some fives and sevens instead of triplets, things like that. The whole interview is a really good read. How was Frank as a bandleader? It really was. I dont know when he slept. Beans and Corn Bread was probably my favorite Louis Jordan tune. He canceled a tour and was honest about it. They were really nice, cool people to work with. Why did you leave? Do you recall first hearing In the Air Tonight? We arent, like, chums, but we stay in touch. Phil helped survive Genesis. Rolling Stone interview series Unknown Legends features long-form conversations between senior writer Andy Greene and veteran musicians who have toured and recorded alongside icons for years, if not decades. We learned how to deal with it. The vibe just changed. I was playing in the San Francisco production of The Wiz back then. Phil double-tracked all the drum parts. It ended up being a little awkward since they were going to be down there for seven weeks. We were like 9,000 feet above sea level in Colorado. I have no idea. In Europe, everyone in the audience knew all of their catalog. Bill Bruford, Neil Peart, Phil Ehart (even producer), Ginger Baker, Keith Moon, Jeff Porcaro, Carl Palmer, Mike Portnoy, Mick Fleetwood (The band uses his name ), John Bonham, Carmine Appice, Stewart Copeland, Cozzy Powell, Lars Ulrich, Lee Kerslake, Don Henley, Pat Mastelotto, Terry Bozzio, Roger Taylor, Billy Cobham. Hes passed away now, but we were in about 10 or 12 bands together growing up. I dont know if they were connected owner-wise, but there was a whole circuit of those theaters. Several times we were on Phils tour in 2005 and they had meetings about how to put this tour together. Hes gone., Were the dates in Australia and other markets you didnt hit the first time? The worst thing you could do in Weather Report was play the exact same thing you played the night before. They didnt find out until pretty late in the game that Bill wasnt going to do the next tour. They were amazing. And of course, my mom loved music. The difference being I wasnt so much into the English drummers, like Keith Moon, and he was. Im always very aware of whats going on. They have a game plan that was a whole lot different scenario than anything Weather Report had experienced. By then, radio was getting pretty segregated. Its very nice to get that stuff, but at the same time, because Ive moved on, its taking me back and forcing me to deal with it again. most great drummers won't ever do that, because they live for their drums. Im always looking for the new thing, the next thing to me. Was it hard on your marriage that you were never home? Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Progatron, Feb 4, 2021. . So they took some time off. She was with Michael Jackson and was actually working with Prince when he passed. They all put in something that made their music special. Terry Bozio: good drummer but he didn`t compose anything for the band U.K. Was successful in the Missing Persons Pop band. But he deserves more respect. For lack of a better word, they are really, really British. By the time I was eight or so, maybe a little older, you started hearing some Motown. Her daughter was this quiet little kid, but shes turned into this monster artist named Judith Hill. That was incredible! Thank you, I agree with you about the intelligent debate and even if we disagree about somethings in the end its down to a matter of opinons. I saw James Brown, an early Motown revue, Sam Cooke, Chuck Jackson, Jerry Butler, the Impressions, Sam and Dave, all the Stax artists. I learned some people don't like unpleasant realities like a great drummer describing a falling out with Phil Collins followed by a decade-long silence between them. Not too many of them sing even backing vocals. If you did your part, it was fun. My wife and I went down to see his big band in Birmingham. When it happened, we got together in New York for two weeks to just play and see if they wanted to do it. The first album after Gabriel left was still very progressive sounding, and as the albums after came out, the change could be heard more and more. Keith Moon, John Bonham: great drummers, yes, key members, because their band never sounded the same without them, butthey weren`tthe main composers in their bands. I certainly never dreamed it would go on and on like it did. Rolling Stone suspended its policy on Genesis not being cool enough to report on for a long interview with Chester Thompson. I agree 100% it0s absurd to consider him nasty, the guy made a solid contribution with his drumming and backing vocals during Gabriel years and a pretty decent job as lead vocalist in ATOTT and specially on W&W. As it turned out, I wound up doing a little, brief drum-clinic tour down there in Australia. It had been years. I met him the night before at his house. but it was some kind of fight for the power and Tony won. I only wonder what your reaction would be if (a big if!) A lot of well-known names. After that, I went back to Baltimore to a community college for a couple of years. Wed just sit in a side room because all they really wanted was the three guys. Reading some of these commentaries in this threadI started to think that Phil Collins is really underrated because not too many drummers are key members in their bands. I got to be friends with some guys that managed an audio store. IMO, he is a good composer, a funny showman, a very good lead & backing singer, and one of the best drummers in Rock music. We always opened and usually left afterwards, though Carlos sometimes came out with Bob and I stayed to watch two or three times. At one point, they were talking about going out with Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett. When Phil Collins moved from the drum kit to the front of the stage in 1976, Genesis hired former Yes drummer Bill Bruford to join them on tour. In my opinion, everyone has to sell out a little bit to survive. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Phil was in pain, and Chester makes it sound like 2008 didn't happen because Phil was just being difficult. But there was always a second kit near him, and. In the latter years, he had a pretty clear picture. Most of the people i know think he is dead, even when the death man is healthier than ever. It was a vocal version. I was asked by Genesis's manager if I would go and photograph the band at a secret location in Surrey (which may have been Mike Rutherford's studio) and take some pictures while they rehearsed ahead of the Knebworth show in 1978. Are you hoping to be back onstage soon? I was wide-eyed and paying attention and had no idea what was going on. It was a lot. With that said, I love all of the Genesis albums from 1972-1977, including A Trick of the Tail and Seconds Out which both have Phil Collins on lead vocals. Hes sort of a quiet guy. Phil Collins was always skittish about leaving the drum stool. Thiswent further,Steve wasn't even invited to the 1982 reunion in Milton Keynes (Only played the encores, because he was in audience). His disparaging remarks about prog was probably a case of being less than honest.Another point in his defense is that he was one of the later ones to "sell out". [Alarza] Lee Collins was the bass player on the session. The new managers were like, Absolutely not. What I don't like is MUZAK (Elevator music), and that's Phil's field. It was great. And goodness, the emails I get! Yes, some of his ballads are cheesy. I said to those guys, I dont care if you use another drummer on parts of the album. The very first live concert I saw was Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers. Yes, please explain the secret to bypassing the RS paywall. Somehow, they offered me the gig. We laughed a lot. Phil helped survive Genesis. Feb 7, 2021 #34 . Not too many of them sing even backing vocals, not too many of them are composers, not too many of them become famous as soloists, not too many of them are very good lead singers. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Oh, my goodness. Chester was very cool in this article. You knew it at five years old. Ralph and I had to watch each other like hawks and really listen carefully. Don't judge you, by the contrary, I'm happy to have an intelligent debate woith people well informed and not with some blind fans from other site that say everything Genesis did is perfect becausee it's Genesis. Phil and I, from the very first rehearsal when he sat down and we started jamming together, we just locked. Ive heard lots of audiences tapes, but its pouring rain and none of them sound great. But I was pretty surprised when he left. We want to hear it. Im just not going to do that.. The first few stadiums, its like, Oh, my goodness! And then it starts feeling normal. I mean, there was mutual respect and stuff, but there was never, like, a friendship. Hed mentioned that theyd been through a few drummers that year. It was just there. I cant scroll fast enough to the good parts! I didnt really know what was happening in the background. I guess I should. This is before they had their own studio. I cant do that.. most great drummers won't ever do that, because they live for their drums. For me, I thought it was fifth or sixth grade. What was the first music you remember hearing as a child that really struck you? I found Richard Mc'Phaill here, at that point and due to the 1973 in memorian, I thought McPhaill was dead, later I found an interview by him (2001) and new he was alive and healthybutonlytoday found he made backing vocals in Genesis Revisited. It had been intense the whole time. I was kind of surprised that Daryl wasnt doing it, either. I think try get hold of the album. First thing out of his mouth was, Would you come back to the band? It was perfect timing. The cool thing was my family came out on the road a lot. A couple of the Drum Duets were released as singles in several places in South America and some countries in Europe, which is kind of cool. Well, yeah. Phil releases "My favourite Genesis tracks from the 70`s" - rerecorded with old friends. Would have to be an idiot not to agree with this, my problem is not with his drumming, I recently had a discussion with a member who said he was only an average drummer not able to play with Yes. He would have subdivisions within a bar. Id say we agree on his drummingskills. The only person I didnt see was probably Otis Redding. It is an impressing line up. Its not something he did. You couldnt take yourself that seriously. I like Genesis lps up until the release of Abacab (grabascab) after that they really went down hill for me. And Maurice too, actually. Ive done a couple of jazz trio albums that I really enjoyed. Suddenly, Im there with no income. It pretty much broke me up. They assumed I was going with Alphonso. Yeah. That is the reason he left the drums to Chester and Bruford. My problem is not even Phil the singer (Even when I like Pete's voice and singing more), my problem is wiyth Phil the songwritter. I grew up in the projects, so in the summer there would be people outside playing music. I remember doing an arena after doing stadiums and it felt like an intimate club. They felt that was pretty interesting, but it was the only way we got through it. And its fine. He actually double-tracked all that stuff. Phil and I locked way easier than Ralph Humphrey and I did. However he did turn Genesis into a pop group and laughed all the way to the bank. Influenced by the likes of Max Roach, Art Blakey, Elvin Jones, and Tony Williams along with the popular music . George and Napoleon were from San Jose and were living in Hawaii when Frank offered them the audition. Chester just says 'maybe' he wouldn't want to play the same Genesis songs yet again on a new tour, but IMO he doesn't give a definite no. He was into a lot of the American jazz drummers. When you heard he was going solo, did you think it would work out for him? He said they were going to be doing something totally different and they werent interested. . Thats where you started hearing Motown and stuff. Always wondered what happened to Chester. Some of it was Frank. Bands always change, and poor Phil just happened to headline the band as it started turning away from it's roots, and he gets branded as the bands destructor. Carmine Appice, Cozy Powell: composers as soloists, mainly. We did it at Ike Turners studio, Bolic Sound. Chester Thompson. The drum instructor left and Id gotten to know the head of the department. Weird. I have mixed feelings about Phil Collins. He was a phenomenal player oh, my goodness. We went back and forth. And Ill never forget. -Ballads in Prog Rock are underrated, because Prog Rock is not "romantic". Ill get back to you. Sure enough, he got back and said, You were right. I worked with him during a really happy period in his life. Theyre such great singers. I was there just a week and I actually ran across them in Sydney. I never liked the idea of re-recording old favourites but Im getting a little bit intrested now. It took me a while to get over it, but I really wish him well. He must have a contract for a hundred and one sappy stereotypical songs for Disney movies. I seem to recall Chester had a falling out with the post-Collins duo too, when they rejected his request to become a full member in the band. 153K views, 2.9K likes, 787 loves, 221 comments, 2.6K shares, Facebook Watch Videos from Genesis Reunion 2020: Phil Collins and Chester Thompson Genesis The Last Domino Tour . How did he know you? Weve been swapping ideas back and forth, writing and tracking. Not the first day. Chester Thompson was born on 11 December 1948 in Baltimore, Maryland, USA. Phil Collins had to hire Chester Thompson and Bill Bruford. No. They went over all the details in soundcheck and we rehearsed the day before. Ive crossed paths with Joe many times since and he even apologized at one point for the way it all went down, but I didnt have a problem with it. Its not as bad as its made to be , Havent exchanged cards since 2019 ?? We were out there hitting it together and theres something about that. They had some really nice material they were promoting at the time [from their album One]. Almost a tradition? When we got to rehearsal, I didnt know about the stuff that was going on in Phils life. I didnt know, but he did step back for quite a while. After Invisible Touch, I remember their conversations where they agreed to take five years off. [Ed. Unfortunately, somehow Ike or his people lost the master tape. Its me in the beginning and then in the middle of the tune, when it goes into the bridge with the swing feel, you hear a completely different ambience, different drum sound, different everything. None of the other members really knew how to communicate in a funny way with their audiences. What was he like? Turns out they had hired Jaco. Well appreciated, keep up enjoying Phil Collins! Smart interviewer, letting an interesting subject just go. IvanI think we have reached the end of our discussion wether Phil is nasty or not. Chester's performance and recording experiences have influenced over three decades of music and musicians. You are using an out of date browser. My audition consisted just of jamming. Every night after the show wed hang out. He also has composed good music, not only elevator music, as you say. It was something called Kung Fu. Unfortunately, it never got released. Tom Fowler would stand onstage with a pointer and would point to the notes he was supposed to play. But I recently read some speculation here on Chester and Phil's falling out, and I thought people might like to hear it from the man himself. I recall someone asking Chester if he could swing with his snare tilted so steeply. It started with some frat parties. [Laughs] Not very much. I kind of fell in love with the flute. Bill Graham and I could just never agree on the money. It was the biggest adjustment Ive ever had to make, musically and culturally. Most surely he didn't made s much money as Phil Tony and Mike, but he has a wealthy positiobn and artistic respect, something that Genesis lost. It was definitely different musically since the band was much bigger with horns and backup singers. There was no leader. Had they said, Were going to change the feel a bit, I would have been fine with that. It was another situation of me not getting any sleep since I was up all night writing charts. I don't think Phil Collins can be fully blamed for the change of direction. I was taking lessons from a friend of my brothers who was a jazz player by choice. What happened with the Calling All Stations period with Genesis? I love the Tokyo Tapes show you did with Steve Hackett and all the prog guys in 1996. Id come in and read it down the next day, which was pretty new to them because none of them read [music] at all. But with Phil, youre one of a cast of thousands. If hedidn't have considerable good qualities the band would not have stayed together for sixteen years which is like an epic length.As for him selling out I think what everyone underestimates is that the taste of the public had changed by the 80s. As of late though, I think Phil Collins has sold out, but not the with Genesis. Unfortunately, they never had enough of his clear vocals to release it, or anything. not too many of them are composers, not too many of them become famous as soloists, not too many of them are very good lead singers. It was quite an adjustment for me. We wouldnt just play a song in five. The guy was brilliant, amazing. I thought, Why not? I had no idea I was going to fall in love with teaching. Oh, boy. Chester Cortez Thompson (born December 11, 1948) is an American drummer best known for his tenures with Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention, Weather Report, Santana, the progressive rock band Genesis and Phil Collins as a solo artist. They were all good friends to the point where they said, Lets do this. So the vibe was great. But I had let him know on the last Genesis tour that I was going to take a break from doing his tours since I thought he was going to keep doing the same every-year-in-between thing. How were the Phil solo tours? Not at all. With Weather Report, I had to learn which ones to leave out. When Phil called, the first thing he said was, Theres no audition. On the We Cant Dance tour in 1992, did you sense that Phil wasnt going to continue with Genesis after it? So Phil did pop some good , some average and some contrived but all big selling. They sent over some cassettes. He asked if Id consider coming in. They kind of assumed that he would. The 100 Greatest TV Shows of All Time. After rehearsal, Id go back to the hotel, go to sleep, wake up at 3 a.m., practice for a couple of hours, go back to sleep, wake up, have breakfast, and do it again. Goodness. Why? Yeah. Juli 1990 auf der Berliner Waldbhne, kurz nach dem Fall der Berliner Mauer. Chester Thompson on His Years With Genesis, Frank Zappa, and Weather Report He spent 30 years in Genesis as a touring drummer, but he had a falling out with Phil Collins in 2010 and they haven't spoken since www.yahoo.com 1975 Slingerland Stage Band, Poplar/Mahogany, White Marine Pearl (20,12,13,14, plus 16 Premier) In the meantime, hed gotten a solo record deal. Its an interesting gig musically speaking. I mean, I know what I hoped for. He was into a lot of the American jazz drummers. The very first day of rehearsal he said to me, How do you play that lick? It was a thing that Ralph Humphrey and I did on the end of [Frank Zappas] Trouble Every Day. It was this double drum lick that Phil wanted to learn, and it did wind up in a Genesis song, a live version anyway.

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