300 ham'r vs 308

Threaded Muzzle (5/824) with Thread Protector this makes no sense. If one can get round nose and flat point bullets to feed in their auto loading rifle, maybe they can stuff 30-30 style bullets in the 300 HAMR and get good effect, but such bullets dont tend to feed well in auto loaders. 160gr Hornady FTX #30395. Price will determine which one gets more popular down the road for hunting use. I dont buy into energy, shot placement is what matters, but at least energy is a factual number that can be used for comparison. is .44 mag suitable for elk ? This is partly because other AR-15 cartridges use smaller and lighter bullets that lack the mass to deal with intermediate barriers. To get the 300 HAMR to compete with 30-30 it need not only try to get the same velocity/energy as the 30-30, it needs to use the same types of bullets. How much is Wilson paying you guys for this piece? Its been my experience at 50 yards or less the deer I hit with the .44 Mag 240gr soft points went down quicker then with the 30-30 150 great soft points,,,,within 50 yards that is. Overall Length: 35.5 Velocity range 2500 2600FPS, Sierra 125gr SBT PH #2120, 2.245 OAL Would be nice to be able to use my stash of 30 cal projectiles still. NUMEROUS BULLETS ARE SUITABLE FOR THE 300 HAMR AND COVER A WIDE VARIETY OF APPLICATIONS, Bullet Choices Suitable for the 300 HAMR, 110gr Sierra HP Varminter #2110 (extremely accurate) The Ham'r doesn't seem capable of doing so in that barrel length. 2510FPS With either Blackout or 300 HAMR, look at the rounds loaded into a magazine box and see that the larger diameter bullet in the shorter case sits down lower, nearer to the follower ridge. Max load: 24.8gr H CFEBLK Just get it to market,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Your email address will not be published. I currently have a 300 HAM'R on order (ordered late 09/2020, told 3 to 4 months lead time, going on 5 months now). The .300 HAMR is extremely accurate because the twist rate is optimized to work with a set bullet length and velocity. At 200 yards, the .300 HAM'R hits with 40 percent more energy than the .300 Blackout, which has about twice the bullet drop at 200 and 300 yards than the .300 HAM'R. Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. You tried to claim that the 300 exceeded the 30-30 and I just dont find that to be the case. At 500 yards, a 308 zeroed for 200 yards with a 165 grain bullet will need 47.7 of correction while the 300 win mag will only need 38.7. They dont have countless rails/slots/holes for water and mud to get into, or to have to worry about cleaning out later. And despite its minimal mass, the Ultralight .300 Ham'r is a soft-shooting rifle. An AR is designed for self defense, why would you want to hunt with this. Those HPs and FMJs make really shitty hunting rounds. The receiver sets and furniture all share a theme, and flow well together. 300 Ham'r has slightly higher SAAMI Max Average Pressure of 57,500 psi (transducer) vs 300 BO at 55,000 psi (transducer). If you use a standard 5.56 mag, youll reduce the capacity somewhat. Finally finished yesterday. Like every Wilson Combat gun Ive reviewed, all of the rifles chambered for 300 Hamr I shot exhibited excellent fit and finish. Its true though. So, you can think of it as 300 blackout on steroids. Both the 308 and 300 have good kicks as the 300 and the 308 can boast of a force at least 20ft.lbs. If you dont hunt pigs, you dont shoot pigs, so I headed out to a particularly wooded area the very first night I was there, knowing it would likely take several mornings and evenings of hunting to be successful. I dont reload but those things matter to a lot of people. The same shot with an AK Id take on a Hill Country White Tail, I wouldnt take on a 200 lb. 300 HAM'R vs 6.8 vs .308 Wilson has developed the 300 HAMR for shooting supersonic loads in an AR-15 sized platform. Ammo Brief: Why The .300 Hamr Nails It For Hunting. https://i.imgur.com/VVE4MgFl.jpg, so why would you say it took 10 years to come up with this cartridge when its been around for 40 years here. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. JWT, those rounds sure look like .300 Black, how about a quick and dirty (never mind the thousandths) description why they are not. The Armor-Tuff finish is applied thoroughly and evenly over an anodized receiver set. Bill set up a chronograph and sent three factory 300 Blackout Remington Premier Match 125gr OTM rounds down range. Suppressed the 300 HAMR is not overly harsh on the ears. Opening my pig up, a well as one another hunter had shot, I found the wound channels to be exactly what you would expect. This 300 HAM'R has better muzzle energy, and high end guns built specifically for it. There is a wide variety of models available on the website. If you want to buy brass thats already formed, MidwayUSA has Starline 300 HAMR brass $31.99/100 and 6.5 Grendel for exactly $20 MORE per hundred. He then pushed rounds from 110gr to 150gr through a 1:15 twist barrel. The information provided here does not represent the views of Cheaper Than Dirt! Its a real PITA to detail clean an AR after an accidental mud bath, especially with Georgia red clay. You have entered an incorrect email address! I have his tactical hunter & shoots far better than I am capable of. Congratulations to Bill and his team there. 125 grain weight; ~2510 fps velocity; ~1750 ft. lbs. Wilson Combat has achieved what many before them have tried. More importantly, the Blackout was a fantastic subsonic cartridge, just as J.D. Ive seen an elk go down to a .45ACP. Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. The user has many finish options available, as well as barrel lengths and styles. Bill's goal was to approach .308 Winchester levels on a round that's compatible within standard AR-15 architecture. Maximum cartridge length is 2.260 inchesthe same as for the .223 Rem. Wilson had previously introduced his .458 HAMR cartridge for AR-10s a cartridge somewhat more powerful than the .458 SOCOM and had trademarked the name. Throwback Thursday: 5 Long-Slide Pistols I Can't Live Without. 130gr Speer FNHC #2007 (OPTIMUM hunting bullet for terminal performance) Both Bill and Ryan used Wilson Combat AR's chambered in 300 Ham'r and pushing the 150gr Hornady SST bullet. so get this amazing Red Puffer Vest which is a favorite of all girls and it is the most-rated and most selling outfit in our store, shop now because the stock is limited. There are no visible tool marks inside or outside of the gun. Uh, I get ~2200fps from 125's in .300BLK w/16"bbl., (damn near that from an 8.5" as well). 150gr Hornady SST #30303 (for the largest game the cartridge is suitable for) Please be respectful of others. But note thats out of a 24 barrel, which is 4 longer than any of my lever action .30-30s. of energy advantage over the .300 BLK at the muzzle. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. 300 hamr check. Shopping with us is absolutely safe - you never have to worry about credit card safety when shopping here Share your latest AR build or photos from the range with #RangeDayFriday for a chance to win a new firearm! I ended up getting the Wilson Tactical Hunter 300 Hamr, 18 barrel with 1 X 13 twist. I just finished putting my 300 Ham'R SBR upper together and making some brass. Small case capacity with large diameter bullets is not going to equal great downrange performance. I'm still waiting on the RCBS HAM'R dies from Wilson. seems like a novelty for people with extra money and want to brag. A major online retailer lists 58 loads for the .300 Blackout and the only thing they sell for the .300 HAMR is unprimed brass and dies. We have killed deer out to 150 yards without any problems. The 300 Hamr wins handily. But I absolutely agree, YAY options! I was able to snag 18lbs of CFE Blk last week from Powder Valley, and that should be enough for ~5k rounds. and i can use the same bullet to load in my 3o-06 even if i prefer a little heaver bullet for that . Mr. Clark, the AR pattern rifle is one of the most common hunting rifles in America. Wilson Combat supports the handloader with Lee and RCBS reloading dies, a Wilson Combat headspace/bullet seating gage, WC 300 Hamr headstamped cases, and .308-caliber bullets. Can a reamer for this purpose be purchased? Thats plenty for any Mule Deer, White Tail deer, or any pig, anywhere. Twenty-first-century America seems to be crowded with trending lists, and for many hunters feral pigs rank right up there. Based on the evidence I saw, as well as Wilsons published load data, which is out there for anyone to reproduce, I compared that to the loading data in my manuals from Speer, Hornady, Nosler, and Barnes, as well as commercial loading advertised by them online. More power than Blackout, no matter what, and also no matter what its used for. Though Bill is mostly known for his work with the 1911 pistol and participation in competitive handgun shooting, Bill is a serious hunter. I spent most of my time with the Bill Wilson Ranch Rifle. With the .300 Blackout, which was designed to fire both super and subsonic ammunition, the twist rate is a compromise. Out of production, replaced by the 300 HAM'R Wilson Combat currently (2011) offers custom loaded 7.6240mm WT ammunition with bullet weights of 110gr and 125gr, but the cartridge can also be hand-loaded using new brass available from Wilson Combat, or by using 5.56mm NATO - preferably Lake City - and the appropriate sizing/forming dies . You might shoot itty bitty groups with either subsonic or supersonic loads out of a .300 Blackout, but its unlikely youll do it with both. I use my 300blk with 110-120 Barnes vor-tx for anything smaller/closer. But elk are big. the 4th, and the 15th photos are upside down. Lovers will love and Haters are going to hate. That settled that. Hes certainly not the first personto try. The first legitimate attempt at this was the 6.8 SPC. Wilson Combat TTU (Tactical Trigger Unit) M2, 4# How would this compare to, say, a .224 Valkyrie necked up to .308? Aiming offhand at 100 yards turned out to be easy, a quality perhaps even more helpful than light weight in a rifle designed for rapid shooting at moving animals. | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Should You Carry Your Gun With an Empty Chamber? Using the125gr SierraSBT and Speer 130gr FNHC rounds available from Wilson Combat, I was able to shoot a series of five-round groups at the 100 yard target. South in body, even further south in mind, Multi-Caliber Magazine - AR-15 - 30 Rounds - Black, Multi-Caliber Magazine - AR-15 - 30 Rounds - Desert Tan. I tried a few boxes of .300 HAM'R 150 grain a125-grainain rounds. Even with an 18-inch fluted barrel, the balance point fell right between my hands. The .300 HAMR (center) has a case length between the .300 Blackout (far left) and .223 Remington (far right). And both in Wilson Combat guns. The AR-10 is a second rate assault rifle compared to a 5.56mm M4 due its increased weight and recoil. The light weight and generally handiness of the rifle was commented on by all of the shooters. Over the course of three days, we shot the hell out of several Wilson Combat guns chambered in the new cartridge. Im not a .44 Mag expert, but I would *assume* that .44 load is considered suitable for elk and at least black bear. Yep. Because it doesnt match the ballistics of the .30-30Win, which the .300Hamr was built to replicate. It will split market share and drive down commonality of one cartridge and make availability and prices worse for everyone. The muzzle energy they produce is still 250ft/lbs less than the 300 Hamr or the .30-30Win. Bullet seating was interesting as I had to use my Hornady 300 BLK seating die and "feel" when I contacted the case shoulder without crushing the case. My understanding is that you can use 5.56/.223 magazines but not at their full capacity. Of course, one advantage of the .300 HAMR over, say, the .458 HAMR, is lighter recoil. It works as advertised, Way out of my price range. While the Hornady retained only 42 percent of its weight, it was the heaviest bullet so it still penetrated 7 inches. Utilizing the light weigh platform of the AR-15, the HAMR puts the AR in the same class as the venerable 30-30 Winchester. of energy. Bill Wilsons 300 HAMR flat out works. For reliability, no little bit of the bullet should touch that ridge, and there are some improved designs that incorporate changes in this area. So he chambered an AR15 in the 30 Apache (from the 1970s) and rebranded it as the hammer; Right? They have successfully matched the full capability of the venerable .30-30 Winchester with a lightweight AR-15 rifle. 30-30 occupies a sweet spot between power and shootability. But only when were talking supersonic ammunition. The big issue with the 30-30 performance in an AR goal is the platform itself. Drat! She aint purdy but theres a reason I like my H&R Pardner. The rest of the rifle is the same exceptional quality as Ive seen before on their 458 Hamr and their AR-10 in 6.5Creedmoor Ive previously reviewed. Gun Digest editors know guns so you know guns. Assembled the upper yesterday, then function checked, chronoed, and accuracy tested it in a steady 36F rain on my old DPMS 3-gun lower today. #A300HMR-110-HPV, 110gr Lehigh Controlled Chaos Suffice it to say, that I never saw a single 300 Hamr have any issue with reliability in any way. The 300 HAMR has cheaper bullets, cheaper brass, and uses less gunpowder. Lancer, Magpul, and D&H Tactical all make 300BLK magazines. Any hunting season with any sort of hunting population, you will hear the cannons roar as one round does not put the animal down. But I read somewhere else a feller had luck with it. It moves the bullet faster for any particular bullet weight, and with less powder. (Hornady InterLocks Ive recovered from big game have retained an average of about half their weight, give or take 10 percent.). The 300 Hamr is built in the traditional AR-15 footprint, and uses the AR-15 bolt carrier group and 5.55NATO/.223Rem bolt. As instructed, I put another round into his shoulder while he was down. While both cartridges can be used in either type of rifle, they are not interchangeable. Simple swap. Smoke Composite Carbon Fiber Closed Shoulder Buttstock so you get an AR-10. So it costs less, weighs less, and you can put the upper on any AR15 lower. Like many AR triggers, it has a two-stage pull, but the take-up is very light and short, and the trigger on the test rifle broke extremely crisply at an average of 3 pounds, 11 ounces as measured with a Timney trigger scale. Bigger bullets going faster certainly dont hurt, but if all emphasis is on bullet performance, then none is on shooter performance. Thanks for drawing my attention to the 130s. #3. The result is a 350 Legend that neither shoots flat, nor does it kill like a 30-30, or 357 Magnum using flat nose soft points, or a 44 Magnum using flat nose soft points. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. In my AR, not really. round this is a great combination . Let us know your thoughts in the comments below. Im saying this as someone who has, and occasionally still does, hunt with one. . Very handy and compact. 125gr Sierra FNHP #2020 While muzzle velocity in the .300 HAM'R was about 200 fps slower than the reduced loads I've used in the .308, the 125-grain AccuBond has a relatively high ballistic coefficient for a light .30-caliber bullet, so it retains downrange velocity very well. Wilson Combat Lightweight Scope Rings I should first acknowledge my mentors and colleagues from Hacettepe University, where I was working at the time of the initial research: Bahaeddin They gave me great support throughout the research and contributed in different ways to the first draft of the text; I am most . Different parent case and entirely different dimensions. The .300 Hamr has noticeable velocity and energy advantages over factory .300 Blackout rounds at the muzzle. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Well, if 300 HAMR gets any market share, which it probably wont. *Weights shown are close approximations. This is not a heavyweight rifle. But I have been testing the 150gr. And out of my 14.5" barrel Im getting over 2200 with no pressure where thats in the 1750-1850 range in a 300blk Wilson Combat offers a 125 gr. Instead of loading the cartridge with flat nose bullets, like the 357 Magnum uses to great terminal effect, they seem rabidly adamant on using sharp spitzers, probably to feed in AR15s, as well as placate morons who think that BC in such cartridges is super important. But, for now, a $350 Marlin 336 would be my choice for this variants intended role. But I recall it being a couple hundred fps slower than x39. Same weight bullets out of the same length barrelnot even close. I've seen plenty of 16" 300 blk builds for sale at shops. It essentially duplicates the external ballistics of the .30-30 Winchester, which makes it suitable for most of the big game on the planet at least at modest ranges. I know nothing of either. Just another worthless development, like so many others. Even though the HAMR is running higher pressure than SAAMI ceiling-sets for a Blackout, its nowhere close to standard now for 5.56 NATO. I personally get 2200FPS with an 8.5 barrel with that load, so I know their data is correct. This is a great bullet in the .308 Winchester, with full-power loads duplicating 130-grain .270 Winchester muzzle velocities, trajectory and wind-drift out to 400 yards, yet it also works well with somewhat re-duced loads for recoil-sensitive hunters. Capable of pushing a 150-grain bullet 2,240 fps at the muzzle. Much patient (and creative) experimentation refined that round into the 300 HAMR, and its now been SAAMI-certified and can be had as a complete package (for buyers or builders).

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